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Discussion about Secret Memo for Genocidal President
"The release of this memo represents an overdue but nonetheless crucial step towards transparency. There are few questions more important than the question of when ," said ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer, who argued the FOIA lawsuit before the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.
"This memo's release will allow the public to better understand the scope and implications of the authority the government is claiming...read on"
Terrorists don't have signs around their necks saying they're terrorists. So, let's say you're a peaceful goat herder and your cousin is getting married, and her husband is BFF with some terror types, and you, the peaceful goat herding dude, go to the wedding, and some douchebag in the Air Force drones a missile into the wedding and kills you, then it's you're fault for being "close to a terrorist"? Try this one: don't be an asshole defending the indefensible.
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Xsorus --------------->. tweakerbelle •
Being Innocent during Wartime doesn't make you any less likely to be blown up... You think when we were bombing Germany there weren't innocent people? What you hope and dream of doesn't change the simple fact of what happens in Wars. Does it suck that innocent people die? Yes...Do I expect it to change? Nope... You can live in that fantasy reality of yours all you want..It still don't change what actually happens in the real world.
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Karen-------------> Xsorus . •
Congratulations. You have just provided a rationale for the deaths of 3000 innocent people on 9/11/01. You see, if we are at war with Al Qaeda or terrorism or bad people or some other such concept, it didn't begin then. It was going on well before that, they saw us as attacking them and their interests, and the deaths they caused are are perfectly justifiable according to your own logic.
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fantagor------------> Karen •
If what you say is true, and I believe it is, 9/11 was a counterstrike, and the USA's response was escalation, which is what they wanted more than anything.
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Xsorus .----------------> Karen • 11 hours ago
To us it was a horrible act of War Karen, to them it Was Defense of their people... Perspectives of each side are often different based on life experience...In other words, To me I find 9/11 to be horrible, But then again I'm an American. If I grew up around Al Qaeda I probably would of found it justified based on my Life Experience when dealing with the American Government. To the Average German, when they were at war with us, their perspective was we were horrible people... The fact that you think a rationale is correct or justified all the times is rather hilarious.
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Karen ------------->Xsorus . •
If you think that a rationale that justifies your actions is invalid when someone else uses it, what you are doing is called circular reasoning.
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Xsorus ----->. Karen •
Only I didn't state that..I stated pretty much the opposite. a Rationale is pretty much based on your life experiences. What I find justified is meaningless in the long run because I'm obviously biased like all Humans are.
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Karen----------->Xsorus . •
Well, I thought you were disputing my claim that your rationale can be used to justify the 9/11 attacks, since you called it "hilarious". If you weren't disputing that, why do you still think that us killing their innocent people is justified?
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Xsorus ------>. Karen •
Because I'm an American, and my life experiences as an American give me my opinion that its Justified. I'm obviously biased, but most rationales are biased.
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Karen-----> Xsorus . •
I guess that's how you and me are different.
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Xsorus ------>. Karen • 10 hours ago
Clearly, you see the World in Black and White, I see the world in the Mucky Grey it actually is.
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Karen------> Xsorus . • 10 hours ago
Not at all. That you think that is "clear" suggests the opposite. I merely insist on consistency and real reasons for the distinctions you draw. If we do not have that, we have no justification for anything we do, and that weakens our position. Its not in our interests to engage in arbitrary violence.
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Xsorus .------> Karen •
Insisting on Consistency is pretty much only seeing the World in Black and White. You will not find Consistency usually in the world when dealing with Rationales from different people or groups.
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Karen-----> Xsorus . •
If you don't think you need to come up with consistent and defensible rationales for your actions, then I guess that's again how we're different. All you're doing is engaging in us good them bad thinking, which is about as black and white as you can get. At least you admit it though.
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Only I don't agree with every action in a "us vs them" world. I just happen to not shed a Tear for a guy who was going out of his way to harm America, nor anyone he was associating with. Nor do I expect Our Military to be able to fly in and capture someone like this guy..and would honestly prefer instead of risking our soldiers lives, to just blow him up with a missile.
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JohnJ-------> Xsorus . •
Where are your war wounds and how many of your children have you put up for sacrifice?
Cheerleading is morally cheap, and so are your arguments championing brutalizing other people. If you are not writing from a tent in Afghanistan STFU.
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Xsorus .-----> JohnJ •
You seem to have pretty good internet in your tent in Afghanistan.
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JohnJ-----> Xsorus . •
I am not arguing for killing people in the name of ideology. In fact I am arguing against state sponsored killing for the profit of corporations.
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Xsorus ------>. JohnJ •
I see, So you believe your opinion holds more weight despite not having those very war wounds you were crying about. Being a Pacifist doesn't make an opinion on War more Valid.
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tweakerbelle ----->Xsorus . •
not all humans, butt wipe.
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JohnMWhite-----> Xsorus . •
None of this is an acceptable rationale if you haven't declared war.
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Xsorus ----->. JohnMWhite • 11 hours ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.[citation needed]
This fallacy is sometimes used as a form of rhetoric by politicians, or during a debate as a filibuster. In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.[1] Modern politics contains many examples of proof by assertions. This practice can be observed in the use of political slogans, and the distribution of "talking points", which are collections of short phrases that are issued to members of modern political parties for recitation to achieve maximum message repetition. The technique is also sometimes used in advertising.
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Karen-----> Xsorus . •
That's not a declaration of war.
Xsorus ----->. Karen •
It gave us all we needed to go after any entity we deemed fit in the War on Terrorism. It was, for all intents and purposes, a Declaration of War.
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tweakerbelle-----> Xsorus . •
fuck you. and the theory you are using. it's bullshit. puerile legalstic bullshit.
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Karen-----> Xsorus . •
Well, there we go again applying reasoning that we would not accept from others.
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Xsorus -----<. Karen •
Welcome to the world of Rationales and how the world actually works.
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Rich H ---->Xsorus . •
Doesn't stop someone from being a douche-bag.
tweakerbelle-----> Xsorus . • 5 hours ago
The logical errors in your statement are multiple. Luckily for you, I'm totally hammered right now, so I'll do what I can, which isn't much before I pass out from exhaustion and booze.
"Being Innocent during Wartime doesn't make you any less likely to be blown up... "
Red herring.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...
"You think when we were bombing Germany there weren't innocent people?"
Strawman argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
"What you hope and dream of doesn't change the simple fact of what happens in Wars."
Assertion argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
"Does it suck that innocent people die? Yes...Do I expect it to change? Nope..."
Which is nihilism. Please kill yourself, now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...
"Nope... You can live in that fantasy reality of yours all you want.."
Ad hominem argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...
".It still don't change what actually happens in the real world."
Assertion argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
So, here I am, fucked out of my brain on some really awesome rum my boyfriend brought home, and after a lengthy evening of "fun" I was able to demonstrate that EVERY SINGLE LINE OF YOUR NONSENSICAL BULLSHIT was some kind of logical error.
Don't fuck with me. Really.
Don't. I know you're probably feeling all defensive and shit, but seriously, just STFU and go away. You've made an ass of yourself in front of thousands of people. Good job, moron.
Now kindly take yourself ANd your neoliberal "realpolitik" someplace else, while the rest of us figure out how to fix the mess assholes like you have made for us aND the rest of the biosphere. Jerkwater.
I can see, Others also get Really
Upset at Stupid Evil American Propaganda Shills, and make mistakes. in Typing.
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Xsorus ---->. tweakerbelle •
I think you'll have more problems digging all that Sand out of your Vagina to worry about the rest of the world. I'm sorry your naive view of the world keeps you from understanding the realities of it.
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Shohanna-----> Xsorus .
Misogynists attacks now? Really? Flagged for the troll you are.
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Abdulrahman al-Awlaki wasn't on an American kill list,Nor was he a member of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninusla. Nor was he "an inspiration," as his father styled himself, for those determined to draw American blood; nor had he gone "operational," as American authorities said his father had, in drawing up plots against Americans and American interests. He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.
Murder ,nothing more nothing less .
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